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05 September 2009 @ 11:05 am
Multiple Relationships in the Buffyverse  

Tomorrow will mark two weeks that I've been sick and it's getting old. First my throat hurt, then my nose became stuffed and then I developed this wet cough that's persisted the longest of any of the other symptoms. I haven't seen the doctor because I figured that the cold would clear up by itself, but the lingering cough has me a bit worried. I started thinking about all these outrageous possibilities - swine flu, pneumonia, bronchitis!? It's probably none of those things, but if I'm still hacking after Labor Day an appointment is definately in store. 

After cycling through a number of ideas for both IWRY and seasonal_spuffy, I think I've finally settled on two that I'd genuinely like to write. Awhile back, I wrote a Spawn one shot called Truth Discovered and had loosely drafted a longer sequel to it set 10 years post-NFA. I'd still love to write the Spawn version of the concept I'd come up with, but I think I can reasonably adapt it so that it takes on more of a Spuffy spin instead. I'm excited about this idea because it's a) not heavily canon based, b) more of an ensemble fic than a shipper fic, c) has a plot and a mystery component to it that both unfolds through the present happenings and in flashback. It's pretty different than what I usually write and I'm excited about trying it. I haven't written a fic from Spike's POV in a long time, so that will also be different and fun. There will also be an OC or two - I'm not much in the habit of incorporating them into my fic, so again with the different. Some of the plot points are still a little sketchy to me, but if I can pull all of this off, I think it'll be great. 

Two things common to both ficathon entries is the idea of multiple relationships. This seems like an important thing for me to explore. Love in the Buffyverse is not narrow. There are many different types of love - romantic, familial, platonic-friendship - and these inter relationships define and drive much of the drama of the show. Love is often at stake. But, unlike fandom, love is not represented as OTP, at least that's not how I see it. Buffy loves Angel. Buffy loves Spike. She also had meaningful relationships with Faith and Riley. Love is not mutually exclusive. And I want to explore those points of intersect in these stories. The SS fic will be Buffy/Spike, but it will also touch on Buffy/OC, Buffy/Angel and Buffy/Faith. They are part of this emotional web together and each of these relationships can exist simultaneously, if perhaps at different degrees. 

My IWRY idea takes my Buffy/Faith fic Severed and Sewn as a jumping off point. That fic is as much about Buffy/Faith as it is about Buffy/Angel, Buffy/Spike, and Faith/Angel. And I think continuing the Faith/Angel/Buffy dynamic is an interesting one because Angel meant different things to each of them, and sometimes it takes a third party to make you realize the deep connection you have with someone else. In that story, I briefly mention that Buffy has disturbing dreams following Chosen and I want to use dreams as the avenue where a lot of action unfolds. Also win since I can get very surreal and Salvidor Dali-ish. Hooray for abstract imagery!

Anyway, points of intersection, multiple relationships. That's where I'm going with my ficathon ideas and I'm excited about it. Hopefully all the shippers won't flat out reject the idea. *worries* 

xeexeelia on September 5th, 2009 05:22 pm (UTC)
*pouts* I saw your request for a spawn banner on naked spike and got all excited for the post NFA spawn fic. Oh well, I hope your idea blossoms nicely anyway!
ClawofCat: Spawn cheek brushclawofcat on September 5th, 2009 05:39 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I can't wait to see what that banner looks like! I still plan to write the Spawn version, but after seasonal_spuffy is over. Cause, you know, deadline *cringe* I'm really looking forward to working on an alternate version of my own concept though. It'll be like doing a remix of my own fic, except the "remix" was the original idea ;)

It's high time I did some Spawn though. I've had them on the brain and was trying to write a little ficlet on the train the other day.
xee: Spike by zoesmithxeelia on September 5th, 2009 05:44 pm (UTC)
Oh YAY!! I thought you had meant that you weren't doing the Spawn version at all!! That is awesome! I love the spawn fics you have done in the past. Thanks for letting me know you are doing the spawn one as well!! You rock!! :)
ClawofCat: Buffy Dawn - no summerclawofcat on September 5th, 2009 06:17 pm (UTC)
I thought you had meant that you weren't doing the Spawn version at all
Oh, no. I've wanted to write it for nearly two years now. I'm not about to throw it away. I probably won't have a chance to really get going on it until late November or early December though. Too many ficathons, too little time, alas. Why do all of them have to be in the Fall!?
slaymesoftlyslaymesoftly on September 5th, 2009 05:44 pm (UTC)
Sounds like a wonderful project. I'll be looking for it!
ClawofCat: having funclawofcat on September 5th, 2009 06:20 pm (UTC)
Thanks. I think I really needed that 9 month hiatus I've been on. I couldn't really generate much enthusiasm or time before, but I'm back into the spirit of it all now, hopefully with some fresh ideas to boot.

Any idea what you'll write about for SS?
slaymesoftlyslaymesoftly on September 6th, 2009 07:24 pm (UTC)
Any idea what you'll write about for SS?

Not a clue. I've got a mostly written and partially beta'd very mediocre season v Spuffy story that I'm probably going to hang onto in case I need it. I'm hoping inspiration will strike and I can write something using the prompt, but with FFA judging to finish up, school starting Tuesday, and having been gone for almost 3 weeks writing is way down on my list of things I need to do right now.
ClawofCat: spuffy shoulderclawofcat on September 7th, 2009 04:16 pm (UTC)
I hear ya. I've zipped through my judging, since I knew I'd have two ficathons to write for. Should be able to finish today. Good luck with story ideas. At least you have something waiting in the wings if you don't get a lightening bolt of inspiration. Me? Not so much.
slaymesoftlyslaymesoftly on September 7th, 2009 04:53 pm (UTC)
Hee! Well, sometimes I surprise myself with what I can do given a deadline; I'm just not willing to count on it this time, so resisting the urge to start posting fail-safe fic until I know I won't need it.
louise39: Spuffy ying yanglouise39 on September 5th, 2009 09:05 pm (UTC)
There are many different types of love - romantic, familial, platonic-friendship - and these inter relationships...
- to cover these is an ambitious undertaking. I look ahead to reading your version.

Hope you feel better!
ClawofCat: Buffy love cryclawofcat on September 6th, 2009 04:44 pm (UTC)
to cover these is an ambitious undertaking. I look ahead to reading your version.
Thanks for the vote of confidence! It is ambitious and I'm sure I'll bitch about the writing pricess in the coming weeks, but it's one of those messages that I'd like to convey. A person doesn't have to have one or the other, they can have many people that they care deeply for, that still have sway over their life and actions. And I take to heart what the First Slayer said about Buffy - she is full of love. It's not always graceful or sweet, but it's there. She touches many lives and many have touched hers.
V. Wishes: buffyviciouswishes on September 6th, 2009 07:15 am (UTC)
I wouldn't worry too much about the shippers, given Buffy/Spike is canon and Buffy/Faith certainly had an intense relationship (even if viewed from a non-ship point) that directly impacted Buffy/Angel.
ClawofCat: Xander thinkingclawofcat on September 6th, 2009 04:46 pm (UTC)
Agreed. I should just worry about what I want to write. Still, you can't help but wonder, "Zomg, will anyone read this!?" Hm, and I am totally in need of Buffy/Faith/Angel icons.
servus_a_manu: BtVSservus_a_manu on September 6th, 2009 07:45 am (UTC)
What inspiring brainstorming ideas! I like when you make with the thinky -- wonderful fics happen! And no worries about the shippers, you writing speaks (eloquently) for itself.

sometimes it takes a third party to make you realize the deep connection you have with someone else.
That's a theme I think we take for granted in real life, so I'm very interested to see it explored. Especially at the level of intensity that those characters have.
ClawofCat: fuffy kiss meclawofcat on September 6th, 2009 04:59 pm (UTC)
I like when you make with the thinky -- wonderful fics happen!
Indeed. When there's a message to convey, it does turn out a good deal more interesting. I don't even think there will be any sex at all in the SS one. Not that there has to be, but a lot of my thinky stuff happens in sex acts, but NO, NOT THIS TIME!! *shakes fist*

That's a theme I think we take for granted in real life, so I'm very interested to see it explored.
It's certainly a kink of mine - presence while absent or, rather, third parties influencing the relationships of others. Because the Buffyverse people are pretty tight knit. They all know each other. They know the complications and they know the joys of said relationships. It makes the road a bit difficult to navigate (yay, angst), but it also inspires selflessness and beautiful acts of love when they're willing to give up or accomodate their love interest for someone else. That's all a bit abstract, but I guess my point is I want Faith to be the selfless hero in the IWRY fic and Buffy in the SS one. Their actions make a world of difference and seeing the ripple effects are going to be amazing. I love my girls!

Also, I'm going to post a rec later that I think you'll love. I almost cried. It was the most beautiful and true thing I've read in a long time. I couldn't even feedback immediately because I wanted to take the feelings it inspired with me undiluted to bed. Just wow.
KSena: Will Liz Jack made by justawenchkseenaa on September 6th, 2009 06:07 pm (UTC)
I love fic where there is a threesome at the center. I think both fics sound very interesting. :-)
ClawofCat: spuffy squaredclawofcat on September 6th, 2009 07:06 pm (UTC)
Great! Very good to hear that there's at least a bit of early interest. An that icon is totally perfect!
KSena: Will Liz Jack made by justawenchkseenaa on September 6th, 2009 09:07 pm (UTC)
I know! It is my favorite threesome pairing. If you can even say it like that. :-D It just makes total sense to me. :-)