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27 August 2009 @ 10:31 pm
Setting myself up for failure?  
So, I've got Fang judging and this iwry_marathon fic due in October and November, and yet I'm still considering signing up for seasonal_spuffy. It's just totally ill advised. I'm a wreck under pressure, only sort of have a story idea in mind, and have limited amounts of time to dedicate to writing. And yet... I still consider it. I'm an idiot, for sure. Someone stop me before I hurt myself.

In the case that I do sabotage myself and sign up... I need fic recs that tell the story of a pairing from a 3rd party perspective. I can't think any off the top of my head, but would like a few examples to read for research purposes.
goldenusagigoldenusagi on August 28th, 2009 02:52 am (UTC)
There was some story I read from the POV of Sunnydale's funeral director, and his encounters with Buffy and Spike. But I can't remember the name or author of it. Maybe someone will recognize it...
ClawofCat: spuffy porchclawofcat on August 28th, 2009 10:34 pm (UTC)
Sounds like a cool concept. Never heard it before. If you have a sudden recall of the fic, drop a link.
goldenusagigoldenusagi on August 28th, 2009 10:48 pm (UTC)
There are also these two by powerofthebook.

Spike from the POV of the parents of the baby he saved in NFA


Sunnydale's destruction and glimpses of the characters as told through newspaper articles
ClawofCat: yayclawofcat on August 28th, 2009 11:16 pm (UTC)
Thank you! I haven't read either of these.
eowyn_315eowyn_315 on August 28th, 2009 03:02 am (UTC)
deird1 writes a lot of fic from outside perspectives. I'm crap with remembering things, so you might just want to browse through her stuff for more, but the one that sticks out is Shell Game, an Illyria fic from Trish Burkle's POV.

Also, you might find this post interesting - it talks about the pitfalls of having a 3rd party POV of a favorite pairing or character.

Edited at 2009-08-28 03:06 am (UTC)
ClawofCat: pornwritingclawofcat on August 28th, 2009 10:38 pm (UTC)
Awesomesauce. Thanks for the link.

I actually read that post by snickfic, but didn't think it really applied to the whole Asmodeus idea, since the dude's OC. It's his demony existence to vicariously get his kicks off the suffering of others. I just don't really know how to about writing from his POV though, hence the request for stories in this style. I must becomed schooled. I also must resist signing up...
eowyn_315eowyn_315 on August 28th, 2009 10:47 pm (UTC)
Asmodeus? I don't think we talked about this one, did we? The only third party POV fic I remember was Bangel from Dawn's POV.

ETA: Oh, just followed your link. Demon of lust, I do remember that one.

Edited at 2009-08-28 10:48 pm (UTC)
ClawofCat: buffy feeling betterclawofcat on August 28th, 2009 11:21 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Demon of Lust would be for Spuffy, not Bangel. I still I think want to try and make an AU S6 Bangel thing work. I might shrink the scope though to make it more manageable. Pass suggested I focus by completeing this statement, "I really want to write Buffy and Angel doing _____." The first thing that popped into my head was "I really want to write Buffy telling Angel she was in heaven." I think the fall out of that would be enormous and I never got the impression that she actually did tell Angel. The circumstances surrounding why she might and its consequences seem sort of interesting to me because that knowledge could very well wreck their chance of hope. Not only can they not be together in a sustainable way in life, but they certainly couldn't in death. It's the heaven/hell thing again. And Angel's guilt would be insanely huge.
eowyn_315eowyn_315 on August 28th, 2009 11:31 pm (UTC)
That works. I think it would be a powerful moment for them, and you could probably do more of what you do best than with a longer, less focused fic.

Have you thought about the setting of it? When/how she would tell him?
ClawofCat: Buffy Dawn - no summerclawofcat on August 28th, 2009 11:47 pm (UTC)
I haven't really figured out details. It's all fuzz so far. But I like the idea of an AU S6 that would somehow force Buffy to tell Angel or make it imperative. I don't see this knowledge as something desirable that she would want to share. There'd be a lot of fear. Why, i'm not sure. There's a reason she lies to the Scoobies and there's a reason she presumably didn't tell Angel in canon. I don't know what the reason is, but if we can figure it out, then we can construct a scenario where it would make sense to share this intel and for her to deal with the consequences. It's another detective work fic, I think. Can we mull over motivation over IM? I'm reading some stuff for judging at the moment, but it'd be cool to discuss this weekend.
eowyn_315eowyn_315 on August 28th, 2009 11:59 pm (UTC)
Sure, I have orientation on Saturday, but I should be around otherwise.

As far as a reason she didn't tell Angel, I feel like we talked about this some for Off Route 17, but don't remember the actual train of thought - do you have any notes about it?
Rebcake: hellorebcake on August 28th, 2009 05:10 am (UTC)
I think you might be thinking of something different, but here are a couple of stories that tell a post-Chosen Spuffy story from the perspective of several different characters, but not Buffy or Spike:

Kaleidoscope by penny_lane_42


Long Day's Journey by anaross (This one has a little Buffy, but no Spike)

I know I've read stuff from the perspective of Dawn, Tara, and even Xander about Spike & Buffy's relationship, but I can't pull any titles out of my brain.

Of course, lilachigh is doing it from the perspective of OC character Agnes, in Business As Usual

One more! hello_spikey did that really cool one that was half from the perspective of Dana, the damaged slayer. Slayer Memories

I'm sure you've read most of these.

Good hunting!

Edited at 2009-08-28 05:15 am (UTC)
ClawofCat: buffy smileclawofcat on August 28th, 2009 10:44 pm (UTC)
Oh. The OC story by lilachigh might be perfect for me, since my character would also be an OC demon if I choose to follow my initial line of thinking.

Slayer Memories is an exceptional fic and one I should definately have a look at again. That might be very useful. As for "Kaleidoscope," I have a very hard time getting into her parenthetical style - it throws the pacing off for me - so I'm not sure if I can use it as reference.

Thanks for the recs! Asmodeus and I are grateful.

Edited at 2009-08-28 10:44 pm (UTC)
Rebcake: hellorebcake on August 29th, 2009 07:55 am (UTC)
I remembered another one, by rahirah called
"The Sure Thing", which is not only told from the perspective of a very put-upon minion, but also channels "Guys & Dolls" which to my mind is a very good thing.

Less fancy linkage: